Q and A with Feedback: Deoband and Barelwi


Figure 1A: The Barelwi-Deobandi fight can easily be summed up in just one picture.

Here is another example of some really useful questioning and feedback that I received recently. I would like to thank all the contributors to the blog and the website for their inquisitive attitude.


To: htspub@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2012, 15:10
Subject: Hanbali Text Society: Aqeedah point

Salaam ya Shaykh,

wa `Alaikum us-Salaamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

Please forgive me for asking this question. I know that you have no interest in the Barelvi Deobandi divide and I do not blame you.


But as a man who has researched this issue I am leaning heavily to the views of Imam Ahmad Rida Khan.


My question is one and only one regarding the dispute. Deobandis say Allah SWt can lie but chooses not to. Barelvis and others argue that lying is a flaw and flaws are impossible for Allah SWT hence to say it’s possible for Allah SWt to lie is a kufr staement. Please clarify this matter as it became very confusing after Shaykh Nuh came out with his article on this issue and yet a Barelvi brother produced an article which seems sooo strong which is here

Forgive me and please don’t be upset I sincerely am confused on this isue because my heart leans to the barelvi position and if that is so it means its kufr to hold Allah SWT can lie as it’s a flaw.

The scholars of the school of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, may Allah have mercy on him, when asked about this issue, whether iman is created or uncreated gave the same reply. Just discussing the matter is kufr, as it assumes

1) both sides have a legitimate right to be heard

2) `Ilm ul-Kalaam  or speculative theology, has a place in Islam, when it has been forbidden by the scholars of Muslim Orthodoxy just to look at them, let alone study them.

3) there are possible limits for Allah and this can be discussed.

In the supplication after the Adhan, the Hanbali scholars make specific reference to the statement, innaka La Tukhlif ul-Mi`ad (Indeed You never break Your Promise). Breaking promises are such are limitations and as such it is not permitted to attribute to Him when he has said, There is no thing like Him. He is the All Hearing, the All Seeing.

The argument to which you make reference is a result of speculative theology and is immediately rejected by myself as per the scholars of the school due to the wickedness of the tools used in deduction. So in a nutshell, this is my position.

Therefore, just to discuss the possiblity or whether or not Allah might have a limitation or boundary is kufr. Allah is in no need or boundaries or limits. And with Allah is every success.


al-Hajj Abu Ja`far al-Hanbali

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